Why no CF Builder access through Creative Cloud? Huge oversight or another pointer the demise of CF?
A choice between Dreamweaver or CF Builder would be nice.
ColdFusion Builder is an IDE intended to support ColdFusion, it is great for ColdFusion developers but not really intended for use without ColdFusion. As ColdFusion itself is not a part of Creative Cloud (nor are any server products, for the record) it makes very little sense to include ColdFusion Builder among the Creative Cloud downloadable apps.
Wow, I couldn't disagree more, and am floored you (or Adobe) would say such a thing.
Was really hoping you were going to go the other way: "You're right, it makes very little sense why we *wouldn't* offer developers this choice. Encouraging developers to use our own products is in our best interests. I'll bring it up with the Adobe brass."
Paul, so what exactly are you disagreeing with, not having ColdFusion Builder as a Creative Cloud download, or not making ColdFusion available to Creative Cloud subscribers?
If the former, well then you must see CFB as a tool for non ColdFusion use, in which case yes, we disagree. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of CFB, but it is a CF IDE, not a general purpose IDE, and I stand by my assertion that it is of little use without CF itself.
If it is ColdFusion you want made available to Creative Cloud subscribers, now that's an interesting discussion to have. While ColdFusion is outside the scope of Creative Cloud right now, we definitely should look at all future opportunities.
I'm disagreeing with not offering CFB in CC. I'm sorry, but your explanations for why it's not offered have me even more perplexed.
Because it's a CF IDE and not general purpose? That just doesn't make any sense. Yes, it's a CF IDE and, CF being an Adobe product, would be EXACTLY why you would offer it.
I can't help but think you and I are looking at CC through very different mindsets. I'm a developer that uses the tools in CC to build web and mobile sites. However, because I've chosen Adobe's own CF as my back end somehow I'm not the target consumer of CC?
Then I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. The way I see it, ColdFusion Builder is there to support the use of ColdFusion, I even consider it a ColdFusion feature, it's invaluable if you use ColdFusion, and not of use if you don't. If ColdFusion was made available to Creative Cloud subscribers (and I personally would like to see that happen, although as a cloud based service instead of as a downloadable installable server) then I'd expect CFB to be included in the Creative Cloud apps, and if not then not. And as ColdFusion is currently not a Creative Cloud offering, ColdFusion Builder does not belong there either.
Just signed up for CC today and was disappointed when I couldn't find CFB. After doing some searching, I came across this discussion. I must say that I'm just as perplexed as Paul. I think it is against your and Adobe's own interest to continue to isolate CFB from the rest of the Adobe web design and development products. It truly makes me question Adobe's long-term commitment to the CF.